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Maroon Peak and Mt. of the Holy Cross

David Stillman
 

I drove to the Maroon-Snowmass trailhead on Friday night and slept in the back of the truck, alarm set for 3:15. I woke up and hit the trail just after 3:30am and a cup of coffee. The trail is largely flat until a junction at 10,400' or so, just two miles from the summit. I turned off at around 5am and headed straight up for nearly 4,000' of vertical and made the summit at 8:30 to beautiful skies.

With it being early and VHF quiet, I set up hf and made a few contacts on 20m while an airplane was doing some swooping fly-by maneuvers, which made _my_ stomach turn just watching. I jumped over to VHF and worked all the summits that had made it by 10:30. I packed up and decided to do the low 5th class traverse over to North Maroon a half mile away, which was harrowing to say the least. I have some 360° video of the adventure, I'll throw that on youtube and add it to this thread. There were some folks on N. Maroon that were actually headed the reverse direction over to Maroon when I was headed down at 11:45 or so, which made me question their sanity just a bit...

I made it in about an hour, and from there it's a 4th class scramble back to Crater lake and on to the truck, which was in a then very crowded parking lot. I made my way through Boom Days in Leadville and on to the trailhead at Mt. of the Holy Cross.

---------------

It started raining almost as soon as I parked. I cooked a quick dinner in the back of the truck under the camper shell, and shared a couple beers and some stories under a tarp with a guy camping in a subaru a few cars down. I went to sleep to the soothing pitter-patter of rain above my head...

... and woke up to same at 3:30 when my alarm went off. The forecast said a chance of scattered showers before 2pm, and a chance of showers after 2pm, which was not super helpful. I decided to hike in the rain until the sun came up and make a summit call then, when I had some visibility.

It rained most of the first few miles, but seemed to be letting up when I got to treeline. I pushed on, hoping for the best. Gaining the NW ridge I met some fellow climbers, and we were all eyes to the sky. We seemed to be in between a set of storms, so decided to push on despite everyone's better judgement. A few hundred vertical from the summit the rain let up so we decided to go for it.

I got to the summit just after 8am and was able to make one contact with W0BV before the next storm really started rolling in. We started down the mountain two minutes later, when we saw the first lightning of the day. I counted to six before the thunder, so just over a mile away and approaching fast. A few hundred vertical down we encountered strong winds and hail blowing sideways into our faces, and I wound up basically running across the Boulder field to treeline as fast as possible. It alternated between bluebird skies and rain the rest of the hike down, and even on the drive back on I70.

Bummed not to activate (and to be honest was pushing my luck as it is) but the mountain is presumably still there and I'll live to climb it another day. As Bob said, there's always next year :)




73,

David KI6YMZ

Re: Logging SOTA contacts for the 14er event

b underhill
 

OK I put my QSO's into the SOTA database- 4 from Mt Belford on Saturday.

On Sunday I was set to do Elbert but there was rain at 5am and thunder at 6am, so nothing accomplished that day
Brian  K0BLL


From: "'Bob Witte (K0NR)' bob@... [ham14er]"
To: ham14er@...
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 6:10:07 PM
Subject: [ham14er] Logging SOTA contacts for the 14er event

 

Just a few thoughts about logging your SOTA contacts from the 14er event

The SOTA program maintains a very robust database for keeping track of
SOTA contacts, both for "Activators" and "Chasers".
See http://www.sotadata.org.uk/

Its all done on the honor system, no QSLs or other confirmations required.

If you operated from a summit you probably worked other summits, which
is known as S2S (Summit-to-Summit). There are special awards for S2S
contacts.
Most mountaintop stations should submit both an "Activator" log, for
stations that worked you AND a "Chaser" log for the other SOTA summits
you worked.
The "Chaser" log is set up so that you can indicate S2S contacts.

The system is actually quite robust but might be a bit complex the first
time you use it. If you need help, give me a holler.

One last thought: there is a really cool SOTA log editor program (free,
runs on Windows) that I've found to be useful for creating and editing
SOTA logs.
See https://www.g0lgs.co.uk/soft_info.php?AppName=sotacsveditor
I've been using it a lot.

73 Bob K0NR

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Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com


K0NR K0JJW Colorado 14er Event Report

Bob K0NR
 

Now to round out the story for the rest of the weekend.

On Saturday, Joyce/K0JJW and I hit trail for Mount Princeton around 5:30AM (at the "upper" trailhead). I had climbed that 14er many years ago, well before SOTA was a thing. Princeton is a majestic peak that towers over Buena Vista and the surrounding area. We see that mountain a lot when we are up at the cabin, so I kept thinking it would be great to activate it for SOTA. Despite it being a popular 14er, it had only been activated 2 times (now 4 times with Joyce and me).

The weather was excellent on Saturday...got a few sprinkles just as we got back to the Jeep.

We pretty much used the FT-90 Transceiver with LiPo battery, operating on 30W into a 3-element Arrow antenna. I did have my very first DMR SOTA contact with Terry/KE0HNW, using my Tytera handheld on 70 cm. I made a few calls on 446.0 MHz but never got a reply.

Here's my log...Joyce's is about the same but with fewer QSOs.

UTC        Band        Md    Callsign

15:38    144MHz    FM    KD0VHD    mobile
15:40    144MHz    FM    KS0E    Jefferson
15:42    144MHz    FM    KI6YMZ    Maroon Peak (W0C/WE-002)
15:46    144MHz    FM    N0MTN    Mount Sherman (W0C/SR-061)
15:47    144MHz    FM    K0ETT    Huron Peak (W0C/SR-010)
15:48    144MHz    FM    WA6MM    Mount Bierstadt (W0C/PR-015)
15:49    144MHz    FM    KN0MAP
15:50    144MHz    FM    KD0YOB    on his way up Mt Flora
15:53    144MHz    FM    KE0HNW
15:54    144MHz    FM    KE0RMY
15:55    433MHz    DV    KE0HNW    My first DMR contact for SOTA
15:57    144MHz    FM    W0AJO
16:17    144MHz    FM    K0BLL    Mount Belford (W0C/SR-006)
16:30    144MHz    FM    W0ASB    Mount Antero (W0C/SR-003)

I also worked a few more stations on our way down but we were off the summit by then. I've submitted a chaser log for those.

Our story about Sunday is below....kind of disappointing but safety first. I know lots of other people reported issues with the weather.
Like Brad/WA6MM said, this is one advantage of doing the event over the whole weekend...more options if one day is stormy.

Thanks to everyone that came out to play!

73 Bob

Bob Witte / K0NR / @K0NR / www.k0nr.com

On 05-Aug-18 1:35 PM, 'Bob Witte (K0NR)' @K0NR [ham14er] wrote:
Joyce/K0JJW and I headed up Mt Antero today for the 14er Event. The wx
forecast showed storms coming in around noon so we wanted to be ahead of
that.
Instead we encountered rain while driving to the trail, so we decided to
divert to Mount White, which is a 13er nearby but a shorter hike. We
were hoping we could squeeze in a quick activation. Got about half way
up that summit when we heard lightning nearby so abandoned the effort.
This all happened around 9 AM.

Oh well. Next year.

73 Bob K0NR

Re: No Success on Antero Today

Jeff <jeff@...>
 

I almost canceled after waiting almost 45 minutes for it to begin to clear. 

Bob looks like you had a very successful outing yesterday. 


On Aug 5, 2018, at 17:20, wa6mm@... [ham14er] <ham14er@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff,
Wow...you had an interesting day with the weather!  Several of us abandoned  our climbs or had to retreat early before making many contacts.  Better to be safe and climb another day.  The mountains aren't going anywhere.

73, Brad
WA6MM


Mt Evans log

Jeff <jeff@...>
 

Sunday 5 August 2018

7.185 MHz 


Nw7e 10:10 16:10 UTC 

KD0YOB Peter S2S w0c/PR-090 10:13 16:13 UTC 


14.340 MHz 


K6mw 10:21 16:21 UTC 

NS7P 10:22 16:22 UTC 

Nd0c 10:24 16:24 UTC

Wa2USA 10:25 16:25 UTC 

Ac1z 10:26 16:26 UTC 

K6fw 10:27 16:27 UTC 


7.240  MHz 


K6hpx 10:36 16:36


14.345 MHz 


W9mrh 10:56 16:56


N0ta w0c SP062 10:57 16:57 UTC S2S 

Ki6eab 10:58 16:58 UTC 

N4ex 11:00 17:00 UTC 

Ng6r 11:09 17:09 UTC 

AG6uk 11:02 17:02 UTC 


50.135 MHz 

W4imd 11:15 17:15 UTC 


50.145 MHz 

N0det 11:18 17:18 UTC 

W0ttt 11:23 17:23 UTC 


WA6MM 14er Event Log

Brad - WA6MM
 

Here's my log for Mount Bierstadt on Saturday. Worked 40 stations including five S2S 14ers. Had a great time with 300 people on the trail and summit!! I've never seen so many people out hiking this peak before. I had to find a place to operate away from people and the wind. I decided to climb down the east side of the summit about 15 feet to set up my HF antenna (see attached picture). This also attenuated my VHF signal to the west where other operators were but I was out of the wind and comfortable!


I had several people come and talk to me about what I was doing. They asked some really great questions as I tried to explain ham radio, RF signal propagation, SOTA, and the 14er event. Everybody thought it was really cool and I might have inspired a few to pursue this hobby! I need to craft some sort of card I can give out that details a few things as well as websites they can go to. I had to cut the discussions short as I was trying to get set up and start my activation.


I cancelled my Sunday activation after looking at the weather report at 4am when I was going to leave my house. I can't run down a mountain as fast as David (KI6YMZ) to get away from the lightning ;-).



Thanks for all the contacts and participation in the 14er event!

73, Brad
WA6MM

Re: WA6MM 14er Event Log

Brad - WA6MM
 

Darn Yahoo!  Let's try this again...

Re: WA6MM 14er Event Log [2 Attachments]

Bob K0NR
 

OK I think we got it now :-)

Bob Witte / K0NR / @K0NR / www.k0nr.com

On 06-Aug-18 10:23 AM, wa6mm@... [ham14er] wrote:


Darn Yahoo!  Let's try this again...



Re: WA6MM 14er Event Log

Jonathan L. Rosner
 

Thanks for the QSO at 1616Z on August 4, 2018, 14.063 MHz, your report
to me 549, mine to you 339.

Impressive log; led me to look at your great photos on your QRZ page.
Bierstadt was the last 14er I climbed; turns out in 2009 I was the oldest
(68) in the 14-er event. Photo and log attached.

73,
Jon WO9S

-- Jonathan L. Rosner
Enrico Fermi Inst., U. Chicago Phone: 773-702-7694
5640 S. Ellis Avenue Fax: 773-702-8038
Chicago, IL 60637 USA @jlrosner
================================================================

Re: WA6MM 14er Event Log

Brad - WA6MM
 

Hi Jon,
Wow...it was really nice to work a guy who climbed Bierstadt years ago!  I'll bet you had less people on the trail and summit in 2009.  I'm sure you can still climb mountains!!  I'm glad I could work both VHF and HF so I could work all of you guys out of VHF range,

Thanks for helping me activate Mt Bierstadt on our 14er event here.  I hope to work you again soon.

73, Brad
WA6MM


---In ham14er@..., <rosner@...> wrote :

Thanks for the QSO at 1616Z on August 4, 2018, 14.063 MHz, your report
to me 549, mine to you 339.

Impressive log; led me to look at your great photos on your QRZ page.
Bierstadt was the last 14er I climbed; turns out in 2009 I was the oldest
(68) in the 14-er event. Photo and log attached.

73,
Jon WO9S

-- Jonathan L. Rosner
Enrico Fermi Inst., U. Chicago Phone: 773-702-7694
5640 S. Ellis Avenue Fax: 773-702-8038
Chicago, IL 60637 USA rosner@...
================================================================

Re: WA6MM 14er Event Log

Brad - WA6MM
 

Jon (KO9S),
I forgot to tell you I was very impressed with your log from the 2009 14er event.  I think you made 12 14er S2S contacts that day!  I've never managed to do that after several years now.  Great job my friend!!

73, Brad
WA6MM

Kit Carson Peak/Challenger Point

Terry Carter
 

Hey everyone! Tyler (KE0RMY), Jenna And I all had a great weekend camping and hiking to Challenger Point and Kit Carson Peak. Here are photos from Kit Carson Peak and Challenger Point! Thanks for the contacts!


Here’s my log:

We weren’t sure if the weather would hold, so we headed down after only 30 minutes. It’s a long hike back to treeline! Thanks everyone for the event!

73,
Terry (KE0HNW)

Re: Kit Carson Peak/Challenger Point [1 Attachment]

Brian
 

Hi Terry,

Great photos. I spent the last 10 minutes trying to find Kit Carson peak on CalTopo maps. We have Carson Pass here in California.  I was looking at your photos and couldn't believe there was no smoke in the area as I had been on Carson pass on Saturday.  Finally I realized Kit Carson crossed the other mountain ranges !

Looks like you had a great time.

Brian  N6IZ



Terry Carter carterterrence@... [ham14er] wrote:
 
Hey everyone! Tyler (KE0RMY), Jenna And I all had a great weekend camping and hiking to Challenger Point and Kit Carson Peak. Here are photos from Kit Carson Peak and Challenger Point! Thanks for the contacts!


Here’s my log:

We weren’t sure if the weather would hold, so we headed down after only 30 minutes. It’s a long hike back to treeline! Thanks everyone for the event!

73,
Terry (KE0HNW)

Sent from my iPhone

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KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Vince Vella
 

Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres. That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV, K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt. Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were awesome. 

Setup- Baofeng UV-5R (Yes, I know. But the VX-7R is missplaced and the HTX-202 battery pack won't hold a charge.)
Arrow 3-el 2m handheld Yagi
Baofeng stock rubber duck antenna

Contacts:
KE0RMY Tyler - Kit Carson
KE0HNW Terry - Kit Carson

I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register. Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting through!

Best I can remember:
I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA
Also worked Gary and Someone else on Mt Belford. It was Garys 1st 14er- way to go!
There was an "X-Ray" station down in town who provided a nice signal report.

73s,
-Vince / KI6ASW


Re: Kit Carson Peak/Challenger Point

Vince Vella
 

Glad you did since for a while all I could reach were you two! I typed a trip report but maybe it's lost in the yahoo ether, if not I will go back and add it. The funny part was just a few hundred feet over from where you were full quieting but I couldn't reach anyone I was suddenly able to close link with Mt. Belford.

73s, Vince KI6ASW

Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Bob K0NR
 

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / @K0NR / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres. That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV, K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt. Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were awesome.
Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register. Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting through!

Best I can remember:
I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA
That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR

Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Vince Vella
 

Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince


---In ham14er@..., <bob@...> wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome.

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR

Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Bob K0NR
 

Vince,

We got a puzzler on this one. Pikes is only 68 miles from Crestone with no major obstructions, which should be easy-peasy on 2m fm between two 14ers. It doesn’t look like Humboldt is in the path and its 200 feet lower anyway. WD4IXD-12 is actually not that much further so it is significant that path worked.

 

73 Bob K0NR

 

From: ham14er@...
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:08 PM
To: ham14er@...
Subject: [ham14er] Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

 



Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince



---In ham14er@..., <bob@...> wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome.

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR




Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Rex Ishmael (WD0AJG)
 

I have not taken up the art of SOTA or 14 teener radio... I should but in this case my study from years ago when I lived in the Valley tells me that your signals were being bounced by the Lost Gold ledge or maybe some other of the "huge" deposits said to exist in that area..  numerous lost gold mine stories abound for those peaks and the further confusion of signals by the spanish caves, and other artifacts could have cause your signals to be "wierdly" bounced around... 

I follow the adventures of you Mountaineers with wonder and should gte busy with the chase but never seem to be around when your out... 

WD0AJG


On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:08 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] <ham14er@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince



---In ham14er@..., wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome..

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR




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Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Vince Vella
 

Yeah, you're telling me! It was quite frustrating actually, and I don't disagree- it should have worked. Even a lousy antenna (I tried with the rubber ducky) with 7W should have closed link- and throughout I I could receive them, though only occasionally enough to break squelch. I worked Pikes from Humboldt and Lindsay in the past and they were 5/9, but that was with the Yeasu.

Not ruling out operator error- seems most likely- but all can tell you that's how it happened and it's pretty hard to mess up with the rubber ducky so I don't know what I could have done wrong. I'd think the finals on the radio to be the next suspect, but the AX-25 packets made it to Hartsel from that location. The KC Folks could actually hear me calling to Pikes- they relayed I was there and I heard Pikes reply to them that he had tried to talk with me- of course I called back hearing that, still no luck. I can't figure it out.

I do have a photo toward Pikes. Usually you can see it from the Sangres. In this case there are clouds above and the visibility wasn't such to make it out, but could see well toward Canon City. Google is so cool that I am able to recreate the photo and there's a clear difference in views. Unless I did the trig wrong, there's another ~.5 mi or so drop due to the curvature of the Earth at 67.1 miles. All of which would have made the look angle like ~.5 degree below horizontal, but there was absolutely nothing that high in the way in that direction. Humboldt is too far to the side. Given the strange atmospheric conditions and the polarization reversal, my total wag is a reflection off of the clouds- like a Tropo E inversion without the ducting, with nothing to scatter and loose coherence from otherwise, setting up a nice little 2nd path and Fresnel zone- which really doesn't pass Occam's Razor nor does that make much since in that the polarization difference would mean the two paths would be out of phase anyway. But I can't figure out anything else, it just should have worked. When Belford worked it was from that 2nd location. Pike's either had called it a day or still couldn't hear me at at time. Had I been thinking I would have tried 70 cm too. Going to feed the radio into an RTL-SDR just to make sure it's pulling out 7W still.

73,
-Vince