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KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

Vince Vella
 

Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres. That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV, K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt. Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were awesome. 

Setup- Baofeng UV-5R (Yes, I know. But the VX-7R is missplaced and the HTX-202 battery pack won't hold a charge.)
Arrow 3-el 2m handheld Yagi
Baofeng stock rubber duck antenna

Contacts:
KE0RMY Tyler - Kit Carson
KE0HNW Terry - Kit Carson

I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register. Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting through!

Best I can remember:
I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA
Also worked Gary and Someone else on Mt Belford. It was Garys 1st 14er- way to go!
There was an "X-Ray" station down in town who provided a nice signal report.

73s,
-Vince / KI6ASW


Bob K0NR
 

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / @K0NR / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres. That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV, K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt. Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were awesome.
Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register. Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting through!

Best I can remember:
I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA
That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR

Vince Vella
 

Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince


---In ham14er@..., <bob@...> wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome.

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR

Bob K0NR
 

Vince,

We got a puzzler on this one. Pikes is only 68 miles from Crestone with no major obstructions, which should be easy-peasy on 2m fm between two 14ers. It doesn’t look like Humboldt is in the path and its 200 feet lower anyway. WD4IXD-12 is actually not that much further so it is significant that path worked.

 

73 Bob K0NR

 

From: ham14er@...
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:08 PM
To: ham14er@...
Subject: [ham14er] Re: KI6ASW Crestone Peak Log

 



Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince



---In ham14er@..., <bob@...> wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome.

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR




Rex Ishmael (WD0AJG)
 

I have not taken up the art of SOTA or 14 teener radio... I should but in this case my study from years ago when I lived in the Valley tells me that your signals were being bounced by the Lost Gold ledge or maybe some other of the "huge" deposits said to exist in that area..  numerous lost gold mine stories abound for those peaks and the further confusion of signals by the spanish caves, and other artifacts could have cause your signals to be "wierdly" bounced around... 

I follow the adventures of you Mountaineers with wonder and should gte busy with the chase but never seem to be around when your out... 

WD0AJG


On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:08 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] <ham14er@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal, we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat, so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince



---In ham14er@..., wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... [ham14er] wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up, which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions, and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out (aprs.fi)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO, WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that), gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near Cottonwood were
> awesome..

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers' register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR




--
Rex
My thoughts: www.ishmaels.net/blog
email: wd0ajg@...

Vince Vella
 

Yeah, you're telling me! It was quite frustrating actually, and I don't disagree- it should have worked. Even a lousy antenna (I tried with the rubber ducky) with 7W should have closed link- and throughout I I could receive them, though only occasionally enough to break squelch. I worked Pikes from Humboldt and Lindsay in the past and they were 5/9, but that was with the Yeasu.

Not ruling out operator error- seems most likely- but all can tell you that's how it happened and it's pretty hard to mess up with the rubber ducky so I don't know what I could have done wrong. I'd think the finals on the radio to be the next suspect, but the AX-25 packets made it to Hartsel from that location. The KC Folks could actually hear me calling to Pikes- they relayed I was there and I heard Pikes reply to them that he had tried to talk with me- of course I called back hearing that, still no luck. I can't figure it out.

I do have a photo toward Pikes. Usually you can see it from the Sangres. In this case there are clouds above and the visibility wasn't such to make it out, but could see well toward Canon City. Google is so cool that I am able to recreate the photo and there's a clear difference in views. Unless I did the trig wrong, there's another ~.5 mi or so drop due to the curvature of the Earth at 67.1 miles. All of which would have made the look angle like ~.5 degree below horizontal, but there was absolutely nothing that high in the way in that direction. Humboldt is too far to the side. Given the strange atmospheric conditions and the polarization reversal, my total wag is a reflection off of the clouds- like a Tropo E inversion without the ducting, with nothing to scatter and loose coherence from otherwise, setting up a nice little 2nd path and Fresnel zone- which really doesn't pass Occam's Razor nor does that make much since in that the polarization difference would mean the two paths would be out of phase anyway. But I can't figure out anything else, it just should have worked. When Belford worked it was from that 2nd location. Pike's either had called it a day or still couldn't hear me at at time. Had I been thinking I would have tried 70 cm too. Going to feed the radio into an RTL-SDR just to make sure it's pulling out 7W still.

73,
-Vince

Bob K0NR
 

Rex,
I no longer care about the radio propagation but please give me the exact lat/lon of the huge gold deposits :-)

73 Bob

Bob Witte / K0NR / @K0NR / www.k0nr.com

On 09-Aug-18 9:17 PM, Rex Ishmael wd0ajg@... [ham14er] wrote:


I have not taken up the art of SOTA or 14 teener radio... I should but in this case my study from years ago when I lived in the Valley tells me that your signals were being bounced by the Lost Gold ledge or maybe some other of the "huge" deposits said to exist in that area...  numerous lost gold mine stories abound for those peaks and the further confusion of signals by the spanish caves, and other artifacts could have cause your signals to be "wierdly" bounced around...
http://geologypark.com/treasure/colorado/tales/co016a.jsp <http://geologypark.com/treasure/colorado/tales/co016a.jsp>

http://geologypark.net/treasure/colorado/tales/co023a.jsp <http://geologypark.net/treasure/colorado/tales/co023a.jsp>

I follow the adventures of you Mountaineers with wonder and should gte busy with the chase but never seem to be around when your out...

WD0AJG


On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:08 PM, ve11a@... <mailto:ve11a@...> [ham14er] <ham14er@... <mailto:ham14er@...>> wrote:

Hi Bob-

Thanks for the callsigns.

Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site
but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things
occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was
that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed
away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would
have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The
other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was
operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing
to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal,
we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was
vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try
the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference
between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was
some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the
north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower
than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but
will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from
AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat,
so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and
connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to
the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to
cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been
negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed
digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much
further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.

73s, -Vince



---In ham14er@... <mailto:ham14er@...>,
<bob@...> wrote :

Hi Vince...

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... <mailto:bob@...> / www.k0nr.com
<http://www.k0nr.com>

On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... <mailto:ve11a@...> [ham14er]
wrote:
> Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt
for that
> one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up,
which
> dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby
Sangres.
> That said you could see clouds around in most directions,
and slight
> rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over
estimated
> my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played
those on the
> phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One
from the
> Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit
the trail
> around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on
Crestone were
> frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out
(aprs.fi <http://aprs.fi>)  I
> could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could
have yodeled
> to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their
QSOs with
> Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I
hadn't
> replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect
since Pikes
> should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I
could of
> course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other
QSOs, and
> usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO,
WOBV,
> K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to
establish link
> with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down
and East
> maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone
non-official
> peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that),
gave it
> another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was
working Mt.
> Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom
on the way
> out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near
Cottonwood were
> awesome..

Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems
weird you
couldn't work at least some of those stations.

> I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are
from memory
> but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have
unpacked it but
> was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock
antenna on a
> lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would
have done a
> few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers'
register.
> Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be
getting
> through!
>
> Best I can remember:
> I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA

That would be KX0R and N0TA

73, Bob K0NR



--
Rex
My thoughts: www.ishmaels.net/blog <http://www.ishmaels.net/blog>
email: wd0ajg@... <mailto:wd0ajg@...>



Rex Ishmael (WD0AJG)
 

Bob, 

Hey if I knew that they would be lost mines anymore... 

WD0AJG

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:20 PM, 'Bob Witte (K0NR)' bob@... [ham14er] <ham14er@...> wrote:
 

Rex,
I no longer care about the radio propagation but please give me the
exact lat/lon of the huge gold deposits :-)

73 Bob

Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... / www.k0nr.com

On 09-Aug-18 9:17 PM, Rex Ishmael wd0ajg@... [ham14er] wrote:
>
>
> I have not taken up the art of SOTA or 14 teener radio... I should but
> in this case my study from years ago when I lived in the Valley tells
> me that your signals were being bounced by the Lost Gold ledge or
> maybe some other of the "huge" deposits said to exist in that area... 
> numerous lost gold mine stories abound for those peaks and the further
> confusion of signals by the spanish caves, and other artifacts could
> have cause your signals to be "wierdly" bounced around...
> http://geologypark.com/treasure/colorado/tales/co016a.jsp
> <http://geologypark.com/treasure/colorado/tales/co016a.jsp>
>
> http://geologypark.net/treasure/colorado/tales/co023a.jsp
> <http://geologypark.net/treasure/colorado/tales/co023a.jsp>
>
> I follow the adventures of you Mountaineers with wonder and should gte
> busy with the chase but never seem to be around when your out...
>
> WD0AJG
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:08 PM, ve11a@...
> ve11a@...> [ham14er] <ham14er@...
> ham14er@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob-
>
> Thanks for the callsigns.
>
> Not sure on the arrow. Should have pulled it out at that 2nd site
> but I was ready to get down the mtn. Two other strange things
> occurred to me when I was trying at the peak register. The 1st was
> that the Kit Carson folks were full quieting even as I pointed
> away from them. But the apocryphal transistor and wet noodle would
> have closed that link, I could easily see straight to them. The
> other thing was the Pikes station AJO was telling them he was
> operating into a J-Pole. I could hear him well if I was pointing
> to him, but scratchy. However, if I turned the antenna horizontal,
> we was much improved. I don't get that as I thought a J Pole was
> vertical polarized omni- reflections or two in the path? I did try
> the stock duck antenna from the Peak too, but no difference
> between that and the arrow. Anyway, my current theory is there was
> some shadowing or Fresnel Zone going on with the peaks to the
> north, even though that doesn't make sense as they should be lower
> than Pikes at least. I haven't checked out the arrow since, but
> will do so. I do regularly use it to grab the DUV Telemetry from
> AO-85 which is much further away and a less than a watt cubesat,
> so I think it's working. Up top I even bypassed the diplexer and
> connected the HT via a quad shield shield microwave SMA cable to
> the arrow director with two connectors- SMA barrel from HT to
> cable, SMA to BNA at the arrow. Losses should have been
> negligible. Also, the packets from the peak did go through, showed
> digipeated via WD4IXD- nearly to Topaz Mtn in Hartsel and much
> further than Pikes. Radio is weird sometimes.
>
> 73s, -Vince
>
>
>
> ---In ham14er@... ham14er@yahoogroups.com>,
> wrote :
>
> Hi Vince...
>
> Bob Witte / K0NR / bob@... bob@...> / www.k0nr.com
> <http://www.k0nr.com>
>
> On 08-Aug-18 11:01 PM, ve11a@... ve11a@...> [ham14er]
> wrote:
> > Finally summited Crestone on Sunday (it was my 3rd attempt
> for that
> > one). Conditions were light fog at the peak on the way up,
> which
> > dissipated and were pretty good on the rest of the nearby
> Sangres.
> > That said you could see clouds around in most directions,
> and slight
> > rain fell on the way down. Hiked up the night before- over
> estimated
> > my speed some and ended up hiking down BHP in the dark with a
> > headlamp. I had generated some packets at home, I played
> those on the
> > phone through the Baofeng- and that actually worked! One
> from the
> > Pass, One at the peak. I camped near Cottonwood Lake, hit
> the trail
> > around 7:30AM, summited around 9;30AM. RF Conditions on
> Crestone were
> > frustrating. Seemed the packet had no issues getting out
> (aprs.fi <http://aprs.fi>)  I
> > could work the folks on Kit Carson, but we probably could
> have yodeled
> > to one another for what that was worth. I could hear their
> QSOs with
> > Pikes- I could hear him saying he head my call but that I
> hadn't
> > replyed to his response. Must have been some shadow effect
> since Pikes
> > should have had plenty of margin with 7W and 3-el gain. I
> could of
> > course hear all of the Kit Carson guys' side of their other
> QSOs, and
> > usually parts of the other side such as their contact in Salida
> > (partial list of callsigns I could hear but not work- W0AJO,
> WOBV,
> > K0NR hiking down, N1TEW, N0TA)- I just couldn't seem to
> establish link
> > with the other folks once they finished up. Scrambled down
> and East
> > maybe .2 miles and 50' vertical (Near the East Crestone
> non-official
> > peak, just in a wind block behind a rock short of that),
> gave it
> > another shot with the rubber ducky and suddenly I was
> working Mt.
> > Bellford and plenty of other folks down in town. Hailstrom
> on the way
> > out I'd have done without, tons of Big Horn Sheep near
> Cottonwood were
> > awesome..
>
> Does that mean your Arrow yagi was having a problem? Seems
> weird you
> couldn't work at least some of those stations.
>
> > I didn't have my logbook out for the East Peak. QSOs are
> from memory
> > but I don't have callsigns unfortunately. Should have
> unpacked it but
> > was cold and ready to descend and tried with the stock
> antenna on a
> > lark- not expecting anything better than the arrow would
> have done a
> > few hundred feet over as the crow flies from the climbers'
> register.
> > Go figure. Hopefully they have mine, I was just happy to be
> getting
> > through!
> >
> > Best I can remember:
> > I had a good QSO with two folks on Topaz Mtn, a SOTA
>
> That would be KX0R and N0TA
>
> 73, Bob K0NR
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rex
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